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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Taylor Burton-Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor Burton-Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Utz,

Blessings on your ministry and opportunities to begin pastoral leadership among a congregation new to you.

Several thoughts about your proposal. Primarily, it seems to me that puberty is a cultural construct at least as much as it is a biological one, particularly in Western (and Global North) cultures. So it&#039;s not clear to me that the connection to the age of Jesus in this text implies addressing the same cultural issues, at the very least, as the teenagers you are likely addressing.  On the issue of puberty, perhaps this text helps you make that very point-- that a good bit of what they will experience in the coming years isn&#039;t about them, per se, but rather about how they interact with and learn to negotiate in a world where they are gaining increasing responsibility but have still relatively little authority to act. In the world of Jesus, that disjunction between responsibility and authority at this point developmentally simply either did not exist or would have lasted a relatively short amount of time. 

So it seems to me, especially for a confirmation class, that the better focus from this text might be on developing the competency to do what Jesus did here-- to engage in passionate debate with the brightest and best of the religious minds of his time and, remarkably, hold his own in the process. That, I think, speaks to the context of confirmation far better, because, after all, isn&#039;t that, rather than merely a sort of rite of passage into adulthood generically, what such intensive catechetical processes are all about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utz,</p>
<p>Blessings on your ministry and opportunities to begin pastoral leadership among a congregation new to you.</p>
<p>Several thoughts about your proposal. Primarily, it seems to me that puberty is a cultural construct at least as much as it is a biological one, particularly in Western (and Global North) cultures. So it&#8217;s not clear to me that the connection to the age of Jesus in this text implies addressing the same cultural issues, at the very least, as the teenagers you are likely addressing.  On the issue of puberty, perhaps this text helps you make that very point&#8211; that a good bit of what they will experience in the coming years isn&#8217;t about them, per se, but rather about how they interact with and learn to negotiate in a world where they are gaining increasing responsibility but have still relatively little authority to act. In the world of Jesus, that disjunction between responsibility and authority at this point developmentally simply either did not exist or would have lasted a relatively short amount of time. </p>
<p>So it seems to me, especially for a confirmation class, that the better focus from this text might be on developing the competency to do what Jesus did here&#8211; to engage in passionate debate with the brightest and best of the religious minds of his time and, remarkably, hold his own in the process. That, I think, speaks to the context of confirmation far better, because, after all, isn&#8217;t that, rather than merely a sort of rite of passage into adulthood generically, what such intensive catechetical processes are all about?</p>
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		<title>By: UtzB</title>
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		<dc:creator>UtzB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for all ideas and thoughts about this text. I&#039;m a bit late commenting because I have a completely different challenge. I shall give a lesson about this words to confirmands (13-16) as part of my introduction to a congregation which hopefully will elect me afterwards as their pastor - after 6 years in an African context coming back to Europe. I will probably focus on that interesting relationship (and conflict) in the family and the thought that Jesus (as all Teenagers should do) starts to leave his childhood family and finds his own identity - but still comes back to them, recognizing their love and probably their means of power which still hold him being a child, he is fully human and therefore submitted to the process of childhood and development including that interisting phaseof puberty (which my own children are also going through). Lot&#039;s to think of and to shrink into 45 bearable minutes for 15 teenagers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for all ideas and thoughts about this text. I&#8217;m a bit late commenting because I have a completely different challenge. I shall give a lesson about this words to confirmands (13-16) as part of my introduction to a congregation which hopefully will elect me afterwards as their pastor &#8211; after 6 years in an African context coming back to Europe. I will probably focus on that interesting relationship (and conflict) in the family and the thought that Jesus (as all Teenagers should do) starts to leave his childhood family and finds his own identity &#8211; but still comes back to them, recognizing their love and probably their means of power which still hold him being a child, he is fully human and therefore submitted to the process of childhood and development including that interisting phaseof puberty (which my own children are also going through). Lot&#8217;s to think of and to shrink into 45 bearable minutes for 15 teenagers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say thanks.  I just began preaching through Luke and came to this story the same week as we buried an elder and beloved giant of our congregation.  I was struggling to tie the two together when I came to this site, and now have written a sermon about how we, too, were leaving our annual feast/celebration of God&#039;s wondrous works, certain that Christ was with us, when suddenly we were terrified, certain that he was gone, abandoned  to face our fears alone.  The whole time, even in our deepest fears and darkest nights, He was about his Father&#039;s business, which is restoration, redemption, resurrection.  

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say thanks.  I just began preaching through Luke and came to this story the same week as we buried an elder and beloved giant of our congregation.  I was struggling to tie the two together when I came to this site, and now have written a sermon about how we, too, were leaving our annual feast/celebration of God&#8217;s wondrous works, certain that Christ was with us, when suddenly we were terrified, certain that he was gone, abandoned  to face our fears alone.  The whole time, even in our deepest fears and darkest nights, He was about his Father&#8217;s business, which is restoration, redemption, resurrection.  </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Fernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joanie, I&#039;m sorry that you were unable to post your comment on my site. I see the problem and I&#039;ll try to fix it.  And thank you for your comment. What always helps me is understanding what the text says, not what it does not say. Blessings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joanie, I&#8217;m sorry that you were unable to post your comment on my site. I see the problem and I&#8217;ll try to fix it.  And thank you for your comment. What always helps me is understanding what the text says, not what it does not say. Blessings!</p>
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		<title>By: JoanieD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoanieD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, I tried to post a comment on your website under your sermon but it said I had to &quot;log in&quot; first.  I had put my name and my email address, but I don&#039;t see any place to log in.  If I can&#039;t do it, I will come back to this space and post my comment here.  I loved your sermon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I tried to post a comment on your website under your sermon but it said I had to &#8220;log in&#8221; first.  I had put my name and my email address, but I don&#8217;t see any place to log in.  If I can&#8217;t do it, I will come back to this space and post my comment here.  I loved your sermon!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Fernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the link to my sermon, entitled &quot;The Lost Jesus,&quot; on Luke 2:41-52: http://www.saintsinsincity.org/?p=2334</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the link to my sermon, entitled &#8220;The Lost Jesus,&#8221; on Luke 2:41-52: <a href="http://www.saintsinsincity.org/?p=2334" rel="nofollow">http://www.saintsinsincity.org/?p=2334</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed Fernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a suggestion from an old preacher: Try to avoid looking for ideas elsewhere as you begin the preparation for the sermon. Bible scholars, theologians, and other preachers may help, but they should serve only as guide. The best (and sometimes original) ideas can be found in the text itself. So begin by looking at the text very closely, parse it, understand it within its context, and do justice to what the author (the Gospel writer in this case) himself wrote, rather than begin by looking for what somebody else thinks, or using some novel or &quot;scholarly&quot; approach which some preachers are tempted to use (to sound sophisticated?). This may sound simplistic but it works. One does not have to complicate the Word which is usually given to us in a simple and clear manner. In fact, in my experience, and it&#039;s a long one, the most powerful and effective way to minister to God&#039;s people through the Word, is by knowing myself, through the help of the Spirit, the Word of God to us and then proclaim it from the heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a suggestion from an old preacher: Try to avoid looking for ideas elsewhere as you begin the preparation for the sermon. Bible scholars, theologians, and other preachers may help, but they should serve only as guide. The best (and sometimes original) ideas can be found in the text itself. So begin by looking at the text very closely, parse it, understand it within its context, and do justice to what the author (the Gospel writer in this case) himself wrote, rather than begin by looking for what somebody else thinks, or using some novel or &#8220;scholarly&#8221; approach which some preachers are tempted to use (to sound sophisticated?). This may sound simplistic but it works. One does not have to complicate the Word which is usually given to us in a simple and clear manner. In fact, in my experience, and it&#8217;s a long one, the most powerful and effective way to minister to God&#8217;s people through the Word, is by knowing myself, through the help of the Spirit, the Word of God to us and then proclaim it from the heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hamel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Hamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus was there at the temple for the reason that the text says I think, his parents were devout Jews who came to Jerusalem for Passover as did many decout Jews who could afford it.  I am unsure about the Bar Mitzvah angle because I am not sure that what we know as the modern ceremony has roots that go back that far.  Anybody know?  I find it much more profound, (and suggested in the text), that Jesus is in the temple during and after passover.  Is he portrayed as a new Moses to lead his people out of slavery to the law into the promised land of grace?  Now that&#039;s interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus was there at the temple for the reason that the text says I think, his parents were devout Jews who came to Jerusalem for Passover as did many decout Jews who could afford it.  I am unsure about the Bar Mitzvah angle because I am not sure that what we know as the modern ceremony has roots that go back that far.  Anybody know?  I find it much more profound, (and suggested in the text), that Jesus is in the temple during and after passover.  Is he portrayed as a new Moses to lead his people out of slavery to the law into the promised land of grace?  Now that&#8217;s interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: don prange</title>
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		<dc:creator>don prange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Jesus at the temple at 12?  Hey...     it&#039;s bar-mitzvah time!   But he must have set the &#039;bar&#039; too high for his parents...   among others...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Jesus at the temple at 12?  Hey&#8230;     it&#8217;s bar-mitzvah time!   But he must have set the &#8216;bar&#8217; too high for his parents&#8230;   among others&#8230;</p>
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